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The thing that really set me off down this track was that at the time, I didn't have the vocabulary with which to push back on any of these ideas. And you know, it's strange for some of the people listening to, but I was not a nerd most of my life. I was a dumb jock, did not study a lot. This was actually the issue that sent me down an intellectual rabbit hole. That was how I discovered the work of the Manhattan Institute and of Heather McDonald and started subscribing to City Journal. And that was the path that had some. Kind of conservative inklings before that, but but not a ton.